SlayerOfDungeons
Well-known member
- May 3, 2023
- #1
Hey there everyone! I am looking to create a Ranger from a Fighter which specializes in Archery using the Kensei Foucs for Archery (Longbows). I also want to take just a few levels in Ranger just for the Darkhunter tree.
Does anyone out there feel this has potential to be a viable build, if planned right? I am only interested in the Darkhunter tree for the wolf I would get.
Or is this just a bad concept from the beginning and I should just go with straight Darkhunter Ranger?
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unbongwah
Well-known member
- May 3, 2023
- #2
Your pet's level will be tied to your Dark Hunter levels, so if that's what you want, you should stick with pure Dark Hunter.
I posted a DH archer to the old forums. If you don't have Horizon Walker, it can be converted into a F2P Arcane Archer build instead, though you'll have to give up a lot of Dark Hunter enhancements to afford it.
Ying
5000+ hours played
- May 3, 2023
- #3
Unless you specifically want a Fighter past life, Kensei bow with ranger levels is redundant. Deepwood Stalker has the crit multiplier and range for bows if you have 12 levels of Ranger.
Unfortunately all pets in DDO are tragically underpowered, and easily die. So planning a build around a pet will leave you with a feelsbad experience. You can still have fun with Dark Hunter without the pet.
SlayerOfDungeons
Well-known member
- May 3, 2023
- #4
Ying said:
Unless you specifically want a Fighter past life, Kensei bow with ranger levels is redundant. Deepwood Stalker has the crit multiplier and range for bows if you have 12 levels of Ranger.
Unfortunately all pets in DDO are tragically underpowered, and easily die.
Thanks for the information. I guess I'll do a straight Ranger build then.
They really need to take another look at viable pets. Would have been nice to have an experience more akin to the tabletop game.
Enkidu
New member
- May 3, 2023
- #5
Just to add to your confusion, ranger 12/fighter 8 would work well. Sure you'll need 22 points in Kensei to get the most out of it, but the bonus fighter feats will cover your weapon focus/specialization and give you a lot more DPS. Just a thought.
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Darkhaven Braveblade
New member
- May 3, 2023
- #6
You could also try pure ftr kensai dex build with horizon walker, and pull some nice single target dps. just more for thought
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Vorogan
New member
- May 3, 2023
- #7
SlayerOfDungeons said:
Hey there everyone! I am looking to create a Ranger from a Fighter which specializes in Archery using the Kensei Foucs for Archery (Longbows). I also want to take just a few levels in Ranger just for the Darkhunter tree.
Does anyone out there feel this has potential to be a viable build, if planned right? I am only interested in the Darkhunter tree for the wolf I would get.
Or is this just a bad concept from the beginning and I should just go with straight Darkhunter Ranger?
I don't think it's a bad concept. I have always thought the best Ranger is a Fighter. I like Elf straight Fighter for Elf having access to the arcane archer tree. Fighter gets a boatload of combat feats so can get all the feats a Ranger gets and more. The main reason I prefer Fighter with a bow over Ranger is the base Ranged Power a Fighter can get from feats alone; taking all the Focus Feats and Specialization Feats for ranged weapons and thrown weapons stacks 20 Ranged Power before anything else from Enhancements or gear is added. Ranger may only access the first of the feats: Weapon Focus Ranged and Weapon Focus Thrown (4 Ranged Power). Don't get me wrong.. I've seen some badaz Rangers out there.. straight and multi-classed. I just find my straight Fighter plan has more passive sustained Range Power.
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Holmgang
Member
- May 4, 2023
- #8
unbongwah said:
Your pet's level will be tied to your Dark Hunter levels, so if that's what you want, you should stick with pure Dark Hunter.
I posted a DH archer to the old forums. If you don't have Horizon Walker, it can be converted into a F2P Arcane Archer build instead, though you'll have to give up a lot of Dark Hunter enhancements to afford it.
Yeah, the old forums are not working.
You can get to the them, but whenever you click on a thread, you get an error message.
None of the build info there is accessible, even if you have the post in question saved as a bookmark.
edit : nm, found out you have to change the url in your bm from from forum.ddo.com to forum-old.ddo.com to access.
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Ying
5000+ hours played
- May 4, 2023
- #9
SlayerOfDungeons said:
They really need to take another look at viable pets.
Players have asked for a pet (and hireling) revamp for many years. Based on developer responses, it's not likely to happen until it's part of something much larger. Perhaps if there was a universal tree or class archetype based on pets, then we'd see them become more viable.
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Krayvin42
New member
- May 7, 2023
- #10
unbongwah said:
Your pet's level will be tied to your Dark Hunter levels, so if that's what you want, you should stick with pure Dark Hunter.
I posted a DH archer to the old forums. If you don't have Horizon Walker, it can be converted into a F2P Arcane Archer build instead, though you'll have to give up a lot of Dark Hunter enhancements to afford it.
Hey @unbongwah the old forums don't seem to be available. Do you have your DH archer posted anywhere else?
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unbongwah
Well-known member
- May 7, 2023
- #11
Krayvin42 said:
Do you have your DH archer posted anywhere else?
I can repost it here for the time being.
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· Dark Hunter(5)· ·Favored Enemy: Favored enemy: Monstrous Humanoid6 · · Dark Hunter(6)· ·Standard: Extend Spell7 · · Dark Hunter(7)· ·8 · · Dark Hunter(8)· ·Dexterity: +1 Level up9 · · Dark Hunter(9)· ·Standard: Improved Critical: Ranged Weapons10· · Dark Hunter(10) ·Favored Enemy: Favored enemy: Aberration11· · Dark Hunter(11) ·12· · Dark Hunter(12) ·Standard: Empower Healing Spell· · · · · · · · · · · ·Dexterity: +1 Level up13· · Dark Hunter(13) ·14· · Dark Hunter(14) ·15· · Dark Hunter(15) ·Standard: Nimble Fingers· · · · · · · · · · · ·Favored Enemy: Favored enemy: Human16· · Dark Hunter(16) ·Dexterity: +1 Level up17· · Dark Hunter(17) ·18· · Dark Hunter(18) ·Standard: Luck Of Heroes19· · Dark Hunter(19) ·20· · Dark Hunter(20) ·Favored Enemy: Favored enemy: Elf· · · · · · · · · · · ·Dexterity: +1 Level up21· · Epic(1) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Combat Archery22· · Epic(2) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Holy Strike23· · Epic(3) · · · · ·24· · Epic(4) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Improved Augment Summoning· · · · · · · · · · · ·Dexterity: +1 Level up25· · Epic(5) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Doubleshot26· · Epic(6) · · · · ·27· · Epic(7) · · · · ·Epic Feat: Overwhelming Critical28· · Epic(8) · · · · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Harbinger of Chaos· · · · · · · · · · · ·Dexterity: +1 Level up29· · Epic(9) · · · · ·30· · Epic(10)· · · · ·Epic Feat: Watchful Eye· · · · · · · · · · · ·Legendary: Scion of the Ethereal Plane31· · Legendary(1)· · ·Epic Destiny Feat: Legendary Aim32· · Legendary(2)· · ·Dexterity: +1 Level upGranted Feats------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------EvasionFavored enemy: Evil OutsiderFavored enemy: FeyImproved EvasionMagical TrainingWatchful Eye------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Skills------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Skill Points· · ·36 ·9· 9 ·9· 9 ·9· 9 ·9· 9 ·9· 9 ·9· 9 ·9· 9 ·9· 9 ·9· 9 ·9Skill Name· · · ·01 02 03 04 05 06 07 08 09 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20· Total Buffed------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Balance · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 29.0Bluff · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 20.0Concentration · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 46.0Diplomacy · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 21.0Disable Device· · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 54.0Haggle· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 20.0Heal· · · · · · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 43.0Hide· · · · · · · 3 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·22.0 · 54.0Intimidate· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 20.0Jump· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 20.0Listen· · · · · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 44.0Move Silently · · 3 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·22.0 · 54.0Open Lock · · · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 60.0Perform · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 20.0Repair· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 23.0Search· · · · · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 52.0Spell Craft · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 23.0Spot· · · · · · · 4 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· 1 ·1· ·23.0 · 50.0Swim· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 20.0Tumble· · · · · · 1 · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 1.0 · 30.0Use Magic Device· · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · 0.0 · 20.0------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Available Points· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0· 0 ·0------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Enhancements: 80 APs------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Horizon Walker - Points spent: 41Core1 Mark TargetTier1 Opening Shot - 3 RanksTier1 Conjure ArrowCore2 Improved MarkingTier2 Take the OpeningTier2 Protection from Evil and Good - 3 RanksTier2 Favored Enemy: Evil OutsiderTier2 Walker Training ICore3 Greater MarkingTier3 No Step Missed - 3 RanksTier3 Two Places At OnceTier3 Hunter's FocusTier3 Tenacious Hunter - 3 RanksCore4 Dauntless MarkingTier4 Corner the Quarry - 3 RanksTier4 Walker's GuidanceTier4 ScattershotTier4 Walker Training IITier5 Feywild AttunementCore5 Dimension DoorTier5 Banish the QuarryTier5 Misty StepTier5 PowershotTier5 Improved Archer's FocusCore6 Horizon------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Dark Hunter - Points spent: 28Core1 Underdark StalkerTier1 Dark Wolf - 3 RanksTier1 Bleed the WeakTier1 Sneak Attack Training ITier2 Furor of the Hunter - 3 RanksCore2 Smoke TrapTier2 Sneak Attack Training IICore3 Underdark DefensesTier3 Primal Energy - 3 RanksTier3 Sneak Attack Training IIICore4 Opportune MomentTier4 Slayer in the Dark - 3 RanksTier4 Lupine InstinctsTier4 Smoke Bomb------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Deepwood Stalker - Points spent: 11Core1 Far ShotTier1 Stealthy - 3 RanksTier1 Increased Empathy - 1 RanksCore2 Sneak AttackTier2 Action Boost: Melee/Ranged Power Boost - 3 RanksTier2 Faster Sneaking - 1 RanksCore3 Called Shot: Sniper Shot------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Epic Destinies: 40 APs + 12 permanent Destiny Points------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Shiradi Champion - Points spent: 35Core1 Fey FavorTier1 PrismTier1 Shiradi Strike: Hunt's EndTier1 Good Luck - 3 RanksCore2 VisionTier2 Stay: Stay Strong - 3 RanksTier2 Healing SpringTier2 Shiradi Power: PinTier2 Phase Double - 3 RanksTier2 Empathetic Link - 1 RanksTier3 Improved Shiradi Power: Otto's WhistleryTier3 Fey Force: Fey ForceTier3 Pierce DeceptionTier3 Double RainbowCore3 Audience with the QueenTier4 Fey FormTier4 TrackTier4 Overwhelming Force: Overwhelming ForceTier4 Enemy of my OwnCore4 Fey CountenanceTier5 Nerve VenomTier5 Lore of the HuntTier5 Feywild AttunementTier5 Epic Moment: Inexorable Advance------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Shadowdancer - Points spent: 11Core1 Shadow TrainingTier1 Technician - 3 RanksTier1 Cover of Darkness - 2 RanksCore2 Step Through ShadowsTier2 Dance in the Dark - 3 RanksCore3 The Darkest Luck------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Primal Avatar - Points spent: 14Core1 This is your Nature: ThornTier1 Epic Strikes: Carrion SwarmTier1 Rejuvenation CocoonCore2 Now Grow: HeartTier2 Primal Choice: Shard StormTier2 ThriveCore3 Weathering the ElementsTier3 At it's Core - Upgrade Primal Spell: At Its Core - ThornTier3 Natural Shielding------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Basically I took a conventional ranged ranger build and, well, gimped it by squeezing in as many pet buffs as I could: i.e., tier-4 Dark Hunter, both Augment Summoning feats, Natural Shielding, etc. Technically I could drop Sniper Shot for Harper Leadership (+4 to pet stats) or swap tier-5 Horizon Walker for T5 Dark Hunter; but I'm not that committed to hamstringing myself in the name of role-playing flavor. Though the more sensible approach would be to shift 11 APs from Dark Hunter to Vistani Knife fighter: FE Undead, +5% doubleshot, and Haste Boost are probably more valuable than tier-4 DH bonuses.
Nimble Fingers and Luck of Heroes are for the bonuses from Shadowdancer's Technician (+1d6 sneak attack) and Shiradi's Good Luck (doubles the bonus to saves), respectively. Either/both feats can be replaced with something else.
Wickedgraves
Member
- May 9, 2023
- #12
SlayerOfDungeons said:
Thanks for the information. I guess I'll do a straight Ranger build then.
They really need to take another look at viable pets. Would have been nice to have an experience more akin to the tabletop game.
Go out to the sands and get a couple of wolf whistles, 'upgrade them'. Summon a legendary cr 52 werewolf every 5 min depending on how many you farmed, I think they last 5 min. Not the same, but it's close... I think they might be 30th items too once upgraded?
(I do have a pet character, it's completely invested in feeding and watering the pets. It's actually really fun to play alone or with say one other person. Druid-primal avatar-splash magus-splash harper- feats- epic feats- the cry of battle filigrees- picked up the uber pets from the ultimate release packs- etcetera- seek out things to be totally pet invested and their buffs). ((currently playing a dark hunter atm- ...sigh... we'll see, I'm not expecting much due to the investment in doing Rogue/traps.. it feels too widespread/{rogue/damage/etc}/'busy' to own a pet and care for it properly is my take so far))
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